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01:01:35 PM Presentation(s): Extreme Winter and Event Response
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                       February 15, 2024                                                                                        
                           1:00 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kevin McCabe, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Sarah Vance, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative Tom McKay                                                                                                        
Representative Jesse Sumner                                                                                                     
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
Representative Genevieve Mina                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S): EXTREME WINTER AND EVENT RESPONSE                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RYAN ANDERSON, COMMISSIONER                                                                                                     
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Co-presented the Extreme Winter and Event                                                                
Response presentation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ANDY MILLS, Legislative Liaison                                                                                                 
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Co-presented  the Extreme Winter  and Event                                                             
Response presentation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
BURRELL  NICKESON,   Central  Region  Maintenance   &  Operations                                                               
Manager                                                                                                                         
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Co-presented  the Extreme Winter  and Event                                                             
Response presentation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:00:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KEVIN  MCCABE  called the  House  Transportation  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 1:00 p.m.   Representatives McKay,                                                               
Vance,  Stutes, Mina,  and McCabe  were  present at  the call  to                                                               
order.   Representative  Sumner  arrived as  the  meeting was  in                                                               
progress.  Also present were Representatives Saddler and Ortiz.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S): Extreme Winter and Event Response                                                                             
       PRESENTATION(S): Extreme Winter and Event Response                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
1:01:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE  announced the only  order of business would  be the                                                               
presentation  on  Extreme  Winter   and  Event  Response  by  the                                                               
Department of  Transportation and Public Facilities.   He further                                                               
explained  that the  presentation would  prompt inquiries  on the                                                               
State  Transportation Improvement  Program  (STIP), and  although                                                               
the  intention  was  to  address   the  questions  following  the                                                               
slideshow, and  the significance  of the status  of the  STIP, he                                                               
said the  committee would prioritize  the STIP  discussion before                                                               
the slides.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:03:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RYAN  ANDERSON,  Commissioner,  Department  of  Transportation  &                                                               
Public  Facilities, co-presented  the  Extreme  Winter and  Event                                                               
Response presentation.   Before  commencing the  presentation, he                                                               
thanked  the committee  for making  modifications  to the  agenda                                                               
today on the  topic of the STIP for the  recent findings from the                                                               
Federal Highway  Administration (FHWA).   He reiterated  that the                                                               
construction program  for 2024  is the  top priority  for DOT&PF.                                                               
He noted  he would go  through some of  the Tier 1  conflicts and                                                               
wished to  give a brief  overview of the federal  findings letter                                                               
[included in the committee packet].                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:05:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  continued to address the  federal findings                                                               
letter, highlighting that several  concerns were raised, and that                                                               
the final meeting  was in January.   He said he felt  there was a                                                               
good  understanding of  the concerns  of  DOT&PF's submittal  and                                                               
believed  they  could be  resolved  quickly.   He  explained  the                                                               
finding  was not  a  denial  of the  STIP,  but  what the  letter                                                               
contains are  conditions for  the STIP approval  called a  Tier 1                                                               
analysis.    He  offered  clarity  that  Tier  1  contained  five                                                               
findings, and Tiers  2 and 3 are things DOT&PF  continues to work                                                               
on.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:07:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  focused on  Tier 1  for STIP  approval and                                                               
summarized  what the  findings meant  [included in  the committee                                                               
packet].   He noted he had  been on other committees  and boards,                                                               
understood the  importance of local  planning, and  stressed that                                                               
DOT&PF just "wants to do this right."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:10:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE brought up a  letter from the Fairbanks Area Surface                                                               
Transportation  (FAST) that  commented  about  the Alaska  Marine                                                               
Highway System (AMHS), and he  noted that Fairbanks had little to                                                               
do with  the AMHS;  therefore, he  stated he  was unclear  if the                                                               
Federal Government  is relating that  DOT&PF had to "bow"  to the                                                               
wishes of Fairbanks municipality planning organizations (MPO).                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:11:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  clarified  he  had not  heard  from  FHWA                                                               
outside of  the boundary that  the MPO has,  and it has  not been                                                               
part of the conversation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:11:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  sought clarity  on if  there is  a timeline                                                               
the Federal  Government has put  on DOT&PF  for a response.   She                                                               
added that people need to know  what is next, and how the overlap                                                               
has an impact.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   ANDERSON  replied   there   are  allocations   and                                                               
regulations  in federal  law as  to how  the money  flows, and  a                                                               
certain amount of funds go to  the MPOs for projects and to build                                                               
plans.  He  stated he felt a resolution could  be met quickly and                                                               
there could be an agreement on the STIP in the next six months.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked who the disagreement is with.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  replied there  have been  discussions with                                                               
the FHWA.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:14:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES asked  about the  STIP and  if there  were                                                               
experienced people working on it.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  replied there were multiple  teams working                                                               
on  all  the  different  disciplines involved;  for  example,  in                                                               
relation to  public involvement there was  a communications team.                                                               
He noted the importance of everything "matching up" in the STIP.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked whether it  was a new team DOT&PF had                                                               
put together.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON replied it was an experienced DOT&PF team.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES asked  for  clarity whether  the team  had                                                               
experience  formulating a  previous STIP,  or the  team were  not                                                               
experienced in putting together a STIP.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON responded  that  the new  STIP would  have                                                               
been  in  2019/2020  development  and  there  were  minimal  team                                                               
members involved then.   In response to a follow  up question, he                                                               
confirmed that as for  a brand new STIP, there were  a lot of new                                                               
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:17:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE  commented about MPOs  in Fairbanks,  Anchorage, and                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna.   If they are  given authority by  the Federal                                                               
Government to manage  Alaska's highways, he opined,  then "we are                                                               
going  to have  a mess."   He  asked whether  there should  be an                                                               
"overarching" department to manage the planning organizations.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON replied  that  currently, there  is not  a                                                               
formal policy  but there are  federal regulations in  statute and                                                               
DOT&PF will  work through that.    He  continued to the  number 2                                                               
finding  on  project  groupings  where  DOT&PF  finds  a  lot  of                                                               
flexibility  in how  projects are  moved along.   He  provided an                                                               
example of a bridge and pavement program.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:20:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE asked whether the  answer was removing the groupings                                                               
or working to figure out how to group them back together.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   ANDERSON  replied   some  groupings   resulted  in                                                               
solicitations from  communities to  apply for project  needs, and                                                               
there are now lists of projects that have been ranked.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:21:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE  referenced that  a  new  MPO is  Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
("Mat-Su"), and  he asked Commissioner  Anderson whether  the MPO                                                               
would go away or the projects would still be done.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON replied  that the  intent is  to make  the                                                               
Mat-Su Valley MPO "whole," but that  would not be in the STIP and                                                               
would have to wait for an amendment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE surmised  that is frustrating for those  who put the                                                               
STIP together.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:22:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE referred  to previous conversation regarding                                                               
setting up  a position  at DOT&PF that  would work  directly with                                                               
municipalities   to  increase   communications,  and   she  asked                                                               
Commissioner Anderson  whether putting  MPOs under  that umbrella                                                               
would be a fitting place to cultivate the conversations needed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON replied that is  an idea DOT&PF had thought                                                               
about, but he stated that the  department is not far enough along                                                               
on it.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:23:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  continued on the third  finding under Tier                                                               
1.   He said DOT&PF  worked a lot  during previous months  on the                                                               
STIP and made sure every year the revenues were balanced.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:25:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE  observed a new  requirement from the FHWA  that was                                                               
not required in previous STIPS or other states' STIPS.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  responded that DOT&PF  had not done  a 50-                                                               
state review.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE opined  that even if a highly  experienced team were                                                               
present, this would have been something unexpected.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON agreed that was a fair statement.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:26:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA   asked  whether  DOT&PF  found   out  about                                                               
expectations  changing  after  the  submission  of  the  STIP  or                                                               
whether  any  rules  or  information  were  communicated  by  the                                                               
Federal Government to flag any of the changes in advance.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  explained that as DOT&PF  went through the                                                               
development  process,  after  the public  involvement,  the  FHWA                                                               
provided an  email attachment with  several issues  outlined with                                                               
the STIP  that it wanted  addressed, and  this was the  basis for                                                               
multiple meetings  after that  to work with  those concerns.   He                                                               
added there were  many changes made to the  document [included in                                                               
the committee packet].                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:28:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE stated  he knew  Commissioner Anderson  was working                                                               
with the  FHWA and offered  his understanding of  the frustration                                                               
of  working with  attorneys and  negotiations only  to have  [the                                                               
report] "kicked back."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  confirmed there  were  a  lot of  virtual                                                               
meetings and discussions, but not in writing.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:29:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  asked Commissioner  Anderson whether  a STIP                                                               
had ever been rejected.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  replied  that   he  was  not  aware,  but                                                               
discussions go back decades.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA asked  whether other states are  in a similar                                                               
spot  in  terms   of  getting  their  STIP   approved  or  having                                                               
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON said he was not aware.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  asked whether  Alaska had the  same timeline                                                               
as other states in terms of  starting the development of the STIP                                                               
and all the processes involved.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  replied yes, and  he related that  back in                                                               
July  DOT&PF  tried a  new  platform  called  an eSTIP,  but  the                                                               
department had to pivot and the  FHWA offered an extension of the                                                               
current STIP.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:33:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA  sought clarity  that  Alaska  had the  same                                                               
timeline  as other  states to  develop the  STIP, but  that there                                                               
were  new   methods  that  delayed   components  of   the  public                                                               
involvement  process  in  submitting   different  drafts  to  the                                                               
Federal Government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON confirmed yes,  and typically, DOT&PF would                                                               
have a new  STIP by the new  fiscal year.  He  added the deadline                                                               
wasn't met due to having to refocus after the eSTIP.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:34:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES pointed  out that Alaska is  the only state                                                               
out of 50 "in this  predicament," and she expressed her confusion                                                               
that if DOT&PF  has been working with the  Federal Government the                                                               
whole way through, then "how did we end up here?"                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON said  that  in July,  it  was evident  the                                                               
eSTIP  wasn't going  to work,  so DOT&PF  then established  a new                                                               
platform  for  the STIP  and  also  have the  public  involvement                                                               
period in  August, and  the FHWA  offered the  180-day extension.                                                               
Since then, he explained, DOT&PF  received comments from FHWA and                                                               
started resolving those over the past several months.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:36:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE recalled  a  discussion with  Mr.  Mills about  the                                                               
timeline and  the public  comment, and even  if comments  come in                                                               
after the deadline, he expressed  his support for a platform that                                                               
allows this.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:37:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  noted still being  on finding number  3 and                                                               
pointed out  the corrective actions regarding  fiscal constraint.                                                               
She observed that  it was a very detailed  expectation of wanting                                                               
each  allocation   and  maintenance   for  the  projects.     She                                                               
questioned letter "e"  in the finding report and  asked about the                                                               
funding  and timeline  flexibility  in relation  to supply  chain                                                               
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   ANDERSON  responded   to   the   section  on   the                                                               
discretionary grant funds  and explained DOT&PF thought  it had a                                                               
good strategy on that.  He  added DOT&PF is having to rethink and                                                               
get some clarifying information from the FHWA.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:39:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  continued on  finding number 4,  which had                                                               
the STIP  amendment and modifications  and that the  section runs                                                               
through  the rules  for  it.   He  noted  the short  construction                                                               
season in Alaska  and that there would not be  time to go through                                                               
an  amendment; therefore,  certain  things must  be  kept in  the                                                               
STIP.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE asked if that was a new requirement.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON affirmed that was his understanding.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:41:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA  asked  in  terms of  the  change  and  FHWA                                                               
requests, whether  FHWA included  information or flags  about any                                                               
of these changes that could have  been addressed to submit to the                                                               
Federal Government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  replied that  typically, there would  be a                                                               
discussion  in  virtual settings  to  resolve  issues, but  these                                                               
would require additional discussions after submittal.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA  asked  whether   any  changes  here  or  in                                                               
previous findings were brought up in the meetings.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON responded  no, "these are new for  us."  He                                                               
moved to finding  number 5 under Tier 1 and  explained that it is                                                               
essentially about air quality conformity in Fairbanks, Alaska.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:45:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  asked for  clarity on  whether resolutions                                                               
will or will not affect this year's schedule of jobs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  confirmed  the  Tier 1  issues  must  get                                                               
resolved to have the STIP approved.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:45:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   VANCE  mentioned   the  corrective   actions  in                                                               
Fairbanks and asked what DOT&PF's authority is in the process.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON stated he had  not been brought up to speed                                                               
on all the details, but he will provide more information soon.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  added  that  she had  concerns  about  the                                                               
amount of corrective  actions and many more  conditions that have                                                               
not been communicated to Commissioner Anderson.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:47:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE expressed  frustration about the corrective                                                               
actions section, and he opined it  is an EPA air quality issue in                                                               
Fairbanks brought on  by temperature inversion and  wood stoves                                                                 
not  by cars.    He restated  his frustration  at  having to  see                                                               
DOT&PF deal with this.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:48:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  asked whether there was  a consultation with                                                               
FAST on some of the issues raised by the Federal Government.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  said  that   during  the  public  comment                                                               
period,   DOT&PF  met   with  FAST   planning   and  provided   a                                                               
presentation to the policy board.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:50:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  asked how  many grants  for AMHS  would be                                                               
affected pertaining to toll credits,  as she had noticed that the                                                               
toll credits had not been accepted as matching funds.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON replied  that  the plan  for approval  was                                                               
submitted to  FHWA, and  he would  get back  to the  committee to                                                               
make sure everything is "crystal clear."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  additionally requested  the status  of any                                                               
grant funds and how many have been accepted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:52:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE questioned  whether  the committee  should go  into                                                               
Tier 2.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  responded it would  be at the  pleasure of                                                               
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:52:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES referred to  ineligible projects under Tier                                                               
1 and asked whether  it was the intent for DOT&PF  to go back and                                                               
find out why.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON replied that  the department had been going                                                               
through the list and would like to resolve as many as possible.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES noted  that DOT&PF had been  working on the                                                               
STIP at  least a year and  she inquired how it  would be resolved                                                               
in two weeks.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON replied  that there had been a  lot of work                                                               
and many  changes.  The  Tier 1 findings  are doable and  can get                                                               
done in the next two weeks, he said.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:56:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA  commented  on  the inclusion  of  MPOs  and                                                               
making sure there is coordination  between their perspective tips                                                               
and  the  STIP,  given  that  some of  the  MPOs  had  previously                                                               
commented that  they were  not included in  the development  of a                                                               
STIP.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON said  the process  is ever  evolving work,                                                               
and a new STIP is a new  endeavor; however, it is being worked on                                                               
all the time.   He added that DOT&PF would commit  to a policy to                                                               
make sure all their staff are clear on how to work with MPOs.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:59:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE  brought  up  projects   not  even  close  to  FAST                                                               
districts and asked whether it was  just another way to shut down                                                               
the Manh Choh ore haul.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON offered his belief  that was not the intent                                                               
of  the  policy board;  there  is  an  investment there  and  new                                                               
activities  on  the  highways.     He  further  explained  bridge                                                               
projects in  that they already  have bypasses, and the  Manh Choh                                                               
ore haul can continue.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE referred to  previous correspondence referencing the                                                               
replacement  of  bridges,  and  FAST stated  they  needed  to  be                                                               
consulted.  He opined there is disingenuousness in the letter.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:01:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:01 p.m. to 2:07 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:08:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  deferred to  his  colleagues  to begin  a                                                               
PowerPoint  presentation [hard  copy  included  in the  committee                                                               
packet].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:09:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY  MILLS, Legislative  Liaison,  Office  of the  Commissioner,                                                               
Department of Transportation & Public  Facilities, began on slide                                                               
2, titled  "October 10, 2023  - Snow Summit."   He noted  that it                                                               
[The Snow Summit]  is online for anyone to go  back and listen to                                                               
any  portion  of  it.    The  slide  read  as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     • Keeping Winter Roads Clear (M&O*)                                                                                        
     •  Winter Maintenance  Priorities  for Sidewalks  Paths                                                                    
     (FAST Planning)                                                                                                            
     • Designing  for Complete Streets in  Northern Climates                                                                    
     (Pedestrian and Bike Planning)                                                                                             
     • 511 Innovations and RWIS*** (DMIO**)                                                                                     
     • Winter Snow Removal Operations (M&O*)                                                                                    
     • Extreme Events: How DOT&PF Prepares (Commissioner)                                                                       
     •  Avalanche Program  and Innovations  (Avalanche/Drone                                                                    
     Teams)                                                                                                                     
     •  Seasonal and  Ice Roads  (UAF Arctic  Infrastructure                                                                    
     Development Center)                                                                                                        
     •  Snowtrails:  Snowmachine Grants  (DOT&PF  Resiliency                                                                    
     Coordinator)                                                                                                               
     • Innovations:  Winter Operations Dashboard  and Mobile                                                                    
     RWIS*** (DMIO**)                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     * Maintenance and Operations (M&O)                                                                                         
     **  Data  Modernization  and Innovation  Office  (DMIO)                                                                    
     ***Road Weather Information System (RWIS)                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS  moved to slide  3, titled "Snow Summit  Follow-Up: New                                                               
Tools."   The slide featured  a map of DOT&PF  winter maintenance                                                               
priorities  by district.   The  bottom  of the  slide featured  a                                                               
winter  operations  dashboard  that  was discussed  at  the  Snow                                                               
Summit  and  was  a  follow-up  to real  time  tracking  of  snow                                                               
operations, such as when roads are being cleared.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:12:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  continued  on  slide  4,  titled  "Winter                                                               
Operations  and  Budgets,"  which  featured  a  shot  of  the  14                                                               
maintenance districts across the state.   He said when looking at                                                               
the regions, that is where the budget goes.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:13:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE  pointed  out  the   Palmer  district  and  whether                                                               
shifting closer to Wasilla would be a "complete shift."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON replied there is a designated location.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BURRELL  NICKESON,   Central  Region  Maintenance   &  Operations                                                               
Manager, Department of Transportation  & Public Facilities, added                                                               
that there  is an  area designated  for a new  station and  it is                                                               
waiting on funding.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE asked where it would be located.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. NICKESON stated  he did not know currently but  would get the                                                               
information to the committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:14:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  referred to  slide 3  and spoke  of Homer's                                                               
tsunami evacuation route.  She asked  why it is a priority three,                                                               
and what  could be done  to get a priority  change being it  is a                                                               
public safety issue.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  briefly  explained  priority  levels  one                                                               
through four  for a  more clear  understanding of  how priorities                                                               
are designated.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS added  that  with the  road  priority review,  several                                                               
roads are  treated as a  priority one  because of the  road type,                                                               
not  because of  the resourcing  of the  maintenance activity  on                                                               
them.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:16:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  moved  through  slides 5  and  6,  titled                                                               
"Winter Operations and  Budgets," which he stated  ties into road                                                               
priorities  and  featured  a  chart of  categories  A  through  E                                                               
regarding conditions  and a brief  description of each.   Slide 6                                                               
featured  a  map with  Alaska  airports  that  he stated  have  a                                                               
different  level  of  treatment   in  terms  of  maintenance  and                                                               
resourcing.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:18:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE  asked about doing  a state DOT&PF dashboard  of the                                                               
high  use areas  such as  Willow and  Big Lake,  for example,  so                                                               
people  could find  out whether  something would  be or  has been                                                               
plowed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS  agreed  that  was  an  excellent  suggestion  and  he                                                               
confirmed it had been passed on.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:19:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA asked  whether  incentive  pay has  impacted                                                               
rural airport contracting.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON explained  that it  may stabilize  things,                                                               
but when it  comes to rural contracting, the  contract prices are                                                               
going up  and that is based  on many factors; therefore,  he said                                                               
he could not make a correlation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:21:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   ANDERSON  moved   to  slide   7,  titled   "Winter                                                               
Operations  Staffing."   The slide  featured various  maintenance                                                               
districts throughout  the state, equipment operator  positions by                                                               
district,  and the  vacancy rates  as of  January 29,  2024.   He                                                               
proceeded  quickly through  slides  8 and  9, titled  "Supporting                                                               
Divisions:  Statewide Equipment  Fleet and  Division of  Facility                                                               
Services,"  featuring a  map of  51 maintenance  shops statewide,                                                               
and "Statewide Equipment Fleet and  Division of Facility Services                                                               
Staffing,"  featuring  a  chart   with  mechanic  and  facilities                                                               
positions and vacancy rates.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:22:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE  offered his belief  that all the winter  events are                                                               
on  primarily   on  DOT&PF,   whereas  the   previous  discussion                                                               
regarding STIP was primarily contractors.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON replied  that  is correct.   He  explained                                                               
that  the vast  majority of  federal funds  and the  STIP are  to                                                               
contract  out for  projects, and  DOT&PF has  the expectation  of                                                               
staffing and administering.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:24:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE reiterated  his  belief that  it  was important  to                                                               
discuss  the  STIP because  contractors  are  a huge  issue  with                                                               
employment in Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS underscored  Chair McCabe's  point and  said the  Snow                                                               
Summit was keen on the winter operations that DOT&PF has.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE presumed  that the Snow Summit had a  lot to do with                                                               
mitigation,  and when  roads are  being planned  there are  areas                                                               
left where snow can be pushed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:25:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NICKESON  circled back  to a  previous inquiry  and confirmed                                                               
that  mile 2.2  on Knik  Goose Bay  (KGB) Road  is where  the new                                                               
station would  be.   He continued the  presentation on  slide 10,                                                               
titled  "Winter  Event   Response:  Southcentral  November  8-12,                                                               
2023."   He  gave  examples of  equipment  challenges that  occur                                                               
during heavier than normal snowfall.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:28:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  asked about the different  ways DOT&PF could                                                               
help reduce equipment down time.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. NICKESON replied that it could  be due to staffing issues but                                                               
also  equipment  componentry.    He  related  that  the  COVID-19                                                               
pandemic  "slowed  the system,"  and  getting  proper pieces  for                                                               
repair can be tough.  He  stressed that prioritization must be in                                                               
place.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  asked how communications have  been with the                                                               
municipality.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NICKESON   explained  that  there  were   various  forms  of                                                               
communication,  "down  to  the weeds,"  that  occurred  sometimes                                                               
daily or hourly, and there  are conversations that happen all the                                                               
time.  Maintaining  relationships is of importance,  he said, and                                                               
it is all about creating an efficiency.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  referred to the  single haul snow  sites and                                                               
how that coordination works.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NICKESON replied that it  goes back to the conversations with                                                               
the  superintendents, and  they  plan their  snow  hauls to  take                                                               
place at night.  It is about sharing  trucks, blowers, resources,                                                               
and that they can tackle the same areas of town.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:32:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NICKESON  moved to slide  11, titled "Winter  Event Response:                                                               
Example  -   Anchorage  November  2023."     The  slide  featured                                                               
components   of  the   Anchorage  district   in-house  resources,                                                               
emergency contracts, and the memorandum of agreement (MOA).                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:34:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  asked how comments get  processed when there                                                               
is a sidewalk that has an ADA issue.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NICKESON  replied  that  when a  specific  area  receives  a                                                               
complaint, usually  it is acted upon,  but he was not  sure if it                                                               
gets recorded.   He added that  DOT&PF has a civil  rights office                                                               
that he  hears from,  and he offered  his understanding  that the                                                               
civil rights staff documented issues.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:36:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE asked  whether it  was more  affordable for                                                               
the  state  to  be  able  to   provide  the  service  to  do  the                                                               
contracting,  or whether  the state  should look  to having  more                                                               
blades and operators.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  replied that it  depends on what  kinds of                                                               
winters  there will  be  in  the future,  and  he confirmed  that                                                               
discussions have happened,  but noted the vacancy  rates are also                                                               
an  issue.   He  said  contracting options  give  the state  more                                                               
flexibility.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:39:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS  moved to  slides  12  and  13, titled  "Winter  Event                                                               
Response:  Moving  Forward,"  which  illustrated  priorities  for                                                               
pedestrian  and   non-motorized  facilities.    The   slide  also                                                               
reiterated  that  limited  snow  storage  created  a  compounding                                                               
issue, which  adds to  the problem, but  he noted  that solutions                                                               
are  in the  works, and  he highlighted  a pending  policy called                                                               
"Complete Streets."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:41:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  asked what  was factored into  the different                                                               
priorities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON replied  that  there are  many factors  to                                                               
look  at,   for  instance,   traffic  volumes,   efficiency,  and                                                               
operations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NICKESON  added  that prioritization  is  largely  built  on                                                               
average daily traffic (ADT) and  oftentimes with an understanding                                                               
where that traffic needs to go such as hospitals and schools.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:44:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NICKESON  moved to slide  14, titled "Winter  Event Response:                                                               
Avalanche  and Highway  Closures,"  which  featured an  avalanche                                                               
mitigation  program   accompanied  by  a  chart   showing  areas,                                                               
mitigation  measures, and  ratings.   He proceeded  to slide  15,                                                               
titled  "Winter  Event  Response:  New  Technology  in  Avalanche                                                               
Mitigation,"   which  read   as  follows   [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Pioneering Drone  Dock Testing: First in  the nation to                                                                  
     test  drone  docks  for automated  imagery  collection.                                                                    
     Purpose:  Enhances  snow  depth  modeling  and  weather                                                                  
     observation.                                                                                                               
     Digital Transformation with  GIS: Leading in digitizing                                                                  
     avalanche   paths   for  improved   asset   management.                                                                    
     Avalanche   Hazard  Reduction:   Nationwide  first   to                                                                  
     receive approval  for using explosives with  drones for                                                                    
     avalanche control.                                                                                                         
     Bridging  the  Gap:  Utilizing UAS  (Unmanned  Aircraft                                                                  
     Systems) as a step  towards longterm hazard mitigation.                                                                    
     Future  Focus:  Implementing   RACs  (Remote  Avalanche                                                                  
     Control Systems) for enhanced safety.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:47:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   VANCE  sought   clarity   whether  the   Federal                                                               
Government was more comfortable dropping  cannons from the air on                                                               
avalanches than  from a  stationary means.   She opined  that the                                                               
risk seemed higher with a drone.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON  replied  that  the first  test  was  near                                                               
Whittier  with   a  drone,  and  practice   runs  were  performed                                                               
proceeded by  live runs.   He reassured the committee  that these                                                               
practices are being looked at very closely.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. NICKESON added that DOT&PF  does have mitigation methods, for                                                               
example, closing down a road  in Hatcher Pass [during exercises],                                                               
and the department continues to look into other systems.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:50:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANDERSON moved  on  to slide  16, titled  "Scalable                                                               
Solutions:   Contracting  and   Funding,"  which   showed  annual                                                               
supplemental appropriations.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE, on the topic  of reappropriating, asked for clarity                                                               
that these funds are separate from STIP funds.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON  stated that he  could provide a  full list                                                               
of  funds for  the committee.    He concluded  the PowerPoint  on                                                               
slide 17,  titled "Scalable Solutions: Contracting  and Funding,"                                                               
focusing  on successes  in contracting  models: Northern  region,                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna,  and  local service  areas.    The slide  also                                                               
featured  a  chart  of  the  Fairbanks  area  winter  maintenance                                                               
contract.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:52:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE  commented that he  and some other  legislators went                                                               
to  the  Snow  Summit,  and   he  appreciated  the  dialogue  and                                                               
presentations; however, he noted the  ice roads were not covered.                                                               
He thanked  DOT&PF staff for  the presentation today and  the Q&A                                                               
session that preceded it.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:53:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Transportation Standing  Committee meeting was adjourned  at 2:54                                                               
p.m.                                                                                                                            

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